Freemasons

I am a Rose Croix member, and there is a difference between Scottish Rite, which is American, and the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Freemasonry for England and Wales and its Districs and Chapters Overseas etc.....

I belong to a Chapter of the latter. Surely New Zealand Rose Croix also fall into the latter category?

Paul Arnot

Thanks for the correction Paul, you must be right. I've dug around a bit more since I posted and found I wasn't quite correct. You learn something every day!

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Keith Walker
Kaimanawa 426
Waikato Lodge of Research 445

oh oh, i am a member of both a rosicrucian ad masonic lodge, have even mentioned it to the brethern and no one has said nought to me.

in fact i would go as far as to say that the rituals performed in the R+C lodge, have more of a enlightening effect than the ritual of freemasonry.

and im not the only f/M associated with the R+C lodge either...theres quite a few others there to...

theres a conversation starter for you...

Although similar to F/M, the R+C lodge and its setup run quite differently i assure you, hell the Hermetic Philosophy intertwined in both lodges has the same message. Be a good bugger and help those around you, then the world will start to be a better, isnt that the whole point no?



"When the Board of General Purposes issued its instructions in 1958 it had before it reports of enquiries made in Great Britain and America, and the action it then took was the same as that taken by the United Grand Lodge of England and the Grand Lodges in America and Australia.

"A.M.O.R.C., in spite of its advertised claims, is really a fairly recent society, formed by a Mr. Spencer Lewis and his family. Its form is imitative of Freemasonry to the degree that membership of it is incompatible with membership of the Craft.

"In addition, A.M.O.R.C. is affilliated to other Quasi-Masonic bodies whose actions are not approved by regular Freemasonry."

CR21 of the Book of Constitution states that it is a Masonic offence for a Brother to attend, support or associate with any organisation not recognised by Grand Lodge but which purports to mimic or copy the Masonic Ritual or Ceremonies."

The position of the Board of General Purposes to the Rosicrucian movement is unchanged from that previously mentioned.

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Lodge Aquarius
Wellington, NZ

Keith

The first three Degrees of Rose Croix are taken as the three degrees in Craft Freemasonry. The ritual however is very different although following the same story.

A much bigger difference than say Taylors and Emulation which are standard rituals that are different.

I have been a member of the Scottish Rite for about seven years. It is alive and well in NZ, but apparently not as many chapters as the NZ version. Both have beautiful workings which are interesting in comparison: They go about things quite differently but emerge at a common conclusion. The Scottish working is more colurful. I highly recommend it as a side order.

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Gary@Ohakea Services

Keith,
you are right, but I spoke to a PMWS the other night who had no idea the the A&AR and the RC were one and the same. As stated elsewhere I joined the RC expecting that it would open a whole new area of learning for me. I was bitterly disappointed. The members knew nothing of the degrees which are conferred in name only and the only interest was to learn and conduct ritual.

Three years and before going in to the chair I threw it away. I have seen nothing in my new area that would influence me to rescind that decision.

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Jeff Allan, P.G.Lec
Librarian, Hawkes Bay Research Lodge No305
Secretary, The Heretaunga Lodge No73

I understand that the NZ Rose Croix is based on the A&A York Rite. Can anyone confirm that?
In Nelson we have both A&A Scottish R, and NZ Rose. We both have fraternal visits, and from my very short membership of NZ Rose, the A&ASR seems to be very similar indeed.
Jeff, in Nelson we have members who undertake the intermediate degrees as demonstrations, which hugely improves our understanding and also makes for an interesting meeting.

I am currently researching a good old conspiracy theory regarding the survival of the Judaic priestly families when the Temple was destroyed in 70CE. Josephus Flavius bought his and the lives of a select group of priests and their families using the Temple Treasure (Ref Arch of Titus in Rome and "The Temple Scroll"). Strangely enough, the ritual of the Rose Croix (13-17) covers this. To cut a long story short, these priestly families (Gens Flavius) took control of the Church, Senate and the Military through Sol Invictus/Mithria and Christianity. We know them today as the aristocratic/royal families of Europe. Up until Prince Charles boys, all the males of the Royal Family were circumcised by a Jewish Rabbi.

This might sound like a whole heap of nonsense until the Cohen Gene enters the picture and the genetic trace-back of European aristocracy became possible. Guess what?

I believe there is a richness in the ritual of the Rose Croix, and when the order seriously starts exploring it I might resume membership.

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Jeff Allan, P.G.Lec
Librarian, Hawkes Bay Research Lodge No305
Secretary, The Heretaunga Lodge No73