The Grand Secretaries Radio Interview on Sunday Morning, 11 March 2012, with Chris Laidlaw on the Radio NZ National Programme is available on line.

 The Interview commenced at 11.05 and is on the page as:-

Ideas for 11 March 2012 (click here to listen - this will stream to your computer from Radio NZ and open up in your media player)

Winston Churchill, Duke Ellington, Mozart and Harry Houdini - not to mention three former Governors General of New Zealand - had one thing in common. They were all Freemasons. So what's the attraction? What do Freemasons believe and what do they do? Jeremy Rose and Chris Laidlaw explore the practice and philosophy of Freemasonry with New Zealand grand secretary Laurence Milton and the author of 'Freemasons for
Dummies', Christopher Hodapp. (48'59")